Branching from Joan Drummond (generation 17)
The line
Seltzer-Estes-Bates-Fleming-Graham-Drummond
32
generations back to 1153 in Scotland
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1 Adela Rose Seltzer b. Nov. 9, 2007
1 Lila Pearl Seltzer b. May 27, 2010
daughtesr of
2 Robert Richard Hartley Seltzer b. July 29, 1975 md. Aug. 10, 2002 in Boston, MA Stacey Denenberg b. July 18, 1976
2
Heather Katherine Hartley Seltzer b. August 13, 1977
2 Michael Richard Hartley Seltzer b. June 14, 1980
2 Timothy Richard Hartley Seltzer b. Oct. 5, 1989
children of
3 Richard Warren (8) Seltzer, Jr. (b. Feb. 23 1946 Clarksville, TN) md. (1) July 28, 1973 Boston, MA Barbara Ann Hartley (1950-2012), md. (2) Sept. 27, 2015 Marilyn Lender (b. Aug. 22, 1945, NY, NY)Richard = son of
4 Helen Estes b. Jan. 31, 1920 md. June 5, 1944 in Philadelphia, PA Richard Warren Seltzer, Sr. b. June 5, 1923
Helen = daughter of
5 Smith William Estes ( June 17, 1881 - Dec. 20, 1943) md. in Philadelphia, PA 1905 May Griffith (1883-1930)
Smith = son of
6 Louis Powhatan Estes (Nov. 22, 1849 - Sept. 6, 1902) md. Oct. 30, 1875 Lily Yates Moore (May 13, 1853 - March 8, 1929) (daughter of S.W. Moore and Mary Yates)
Louis = son of
7 Albert Monroe Estes (Nov. 19, 1804 in Bedford County, VA - Dec. 22, 1863 in Haywood County, TN) md. Nov. 17, 1848 Mildred Colman (daughter of Dr. Benjamin Colman and Mildred Wharton of New Jersey) (c. 1823- Nov. 30, 1849)
Albert = son of
8 Sarah Langhorne Bates (1781- 1825 near Brownsville, Haywood County, TN) md. Oct. 13, 1801 in Chesterfield County, VA Joel Estes (1780-1833) (son of Benjamin Estes and Cecelia Rebecca Thorpe)
Sarah = daughter of
9 Daniel Bates (July 6, 1756 - c. 1801) md. May 21, 1776in Chesterfield County, VA Elizabeth Cary Bell ( b. about 1758 in Virginia, d. 1825 in Kentucky) daughter of David Bell and Judith Cary
Daniel = son of
10 James Bates (March 7, 1721 - Nov. 9, 1786) md. Nov. 11, 1746 in Goochland County, St. James Wortham parish, VA Winnifred Grymes or Grimes or Hix (b. Jan. 18, 1729 in Goochland)
James = son of
11 Susannah Tarleton Fleming md. about 1709 John Bates (1685-1723)
Susannah = daughter of
12 Charles Fleming (b. 1667) (of New Kent County, VA) md. Susannah Tarleton (d. 1687) (daughter of Stephen Tarleton)
According to My Ancestors and Relatives: "Colonel Charles was born on December 10th, 1659 in Of Charles Parish, York Co., Va. Colonel Charles' father was John FLEMMING and his mother was Mrs. Mercy Or Mary FLEMING. His paternal grandparents were Captain Alexander FLEMING and Elizabeth (Elspet) ANDERSON. He had four brothers and a sister, named William, Alexander, John, Tarleton and Lydia. He died at the age of 57 on October 7th, 1717 in St. Peter's Parish, New Kent, Va.
"Susanna was born in Of St. Peter's Parish, New Kent, Va. Susanna's father was Stephen TARLETON and her mother is Susanna. She had a sister named Judith. She died after October 7th, 1717 in St.peters Parish, New Kent.
"Colonel Charles and Susanna were married in a religious ceremony in New Kent, Virginia. They had two sons and eight daughters, named Colonel John, Tarleton, Susannah, Elizabeth, Judith, Ursula, Anne, Grace, Anne and Sarah.
Charles = son of
13 John Fleming (b. 1627 Cumbarnauld, Lanarkshire, ScotlandVirginia d. April 27, 1686 in New Kent County, VA, St. Peter's Parish Register)
Cary-Estes Genealogy p. 86 indicates that according to "Fleming Family" by Lyon G. Tyler, William and MaryQuarterly Vol. 12, 1093, pp. 45-47, "I think he was the father of Charles Fleming who md. Susannah ___. She was probably a daughter of Stephen Tarleton." John Fleming, 493 acres in New Kent County on south side of Yorke River 2 march 1661 per page 397 Parent Book No. 4.
According to My Ancestors and Relatives: "John was born in 1627 in Cumbarnauld, Lanarkshire, Scotland. John's father was Captain Alexander FLEMING and his mother was Elizabeth (Elspet) ANDERSON. His paternal grandparents were John FLEMING and Margaret LIVINGSTON; his maternal grandparents are William ANDERSON and MRS. ANDERSON. He had a brother and two sisters, named John, Elizabeth and Alexia. He died at the age of 59 on April 27th, 1686 in Charles Parish, York Co., Virginia. His burial was on April 30th, 1686 in St. Peter's Parish, New Kent, Va.
"Mrs. Mercy or Mary was born about 1637 in Of Charles Parish, York Co., Va. She died in , New Kent, Va.
"John and Mrs. Mercy or Mary were married in a religious ceremony in , , , England. They had five sons and a daughter, named Colonel Charles, William, Alexander, John, Tarleton and Lydia."
John = son of
14 Alexander Fleming (b. 1612 Cumbernauld, Lanarkshire, Scotland d. Dec. 30, 1668 Rappahannock Co., VA) md. Elizabeth (AKA Elspet) Anderson (b. 1614, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland d. Oct. 6, 1656 Rappahannock Co., VA)
According to My Ancestors and Relatives: "Captain Alexander was born about 1612 in Cumbernauld, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Captain Alexander's father was John FLEMING and his mother was Margaret LIVINGSTON. His paternal grandparents were John 1St Earl Wigton FLEMING and Lillias Lilias GRAHAM; his maternal grandfather was Alexander LIVINGSTON and his maternal grandmother is Eleanor Or Helen HAY. He had two brothers and six sisters, named John, William, Eleanor, Ann, Jean, Lilias, Helen and Margaret. He died on December 30th, 1668 in , Rappahannock Co., Va.
"Elizabeth (Elspet) was born about 1614 in Of Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Elizabeth (Elspet)'s father is William ANDERSON and her mother is MRS. ANDERSON. Her paternal grandfather is John ANDERSON. She was an only child. She died on October 6th, 1656 in , Rappahannock Co., Va.
"Captain Alexander and Elizabeth (Elspet) were married in a religious ceremony about 1632 in Scotland. They had two sons and two daughters, named John, John, Elizabeth and Alexia."
Alexander = son of
15 John Fleming (b. Dec. 9, 1589 Kincardine, Perth, Scotland d. May 7 1650 Cumbernauld, Lanarkshire, Scotland) md. Margaret Livingston (b. about 1587 Callendar, Stirlingshire, Scotland d. 1634)
According to My Ancestors and Relatives: "John was born on December 9th, 1589 in Kincardine, Perth, Scot. and his baptism took place on December 9th, 1589 in Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland. John's father was John 1St Earl Wigton FLEMING and his mother was Lillias Lilias GRAHAM. His paternal grandparents were John Fleming EARL and Elizabeth ROSS; his maternal grandfather is John GRAHAM and his maternal grandmother was Jean DRUMMOND. He had four brothers and eight sisters, named James, Alexander, FLEMING, Malcolm, Jean, Jean, Anne, Margaret, Sarah, Lillias, Mary and Rachel. He died at the age of 60 on May 7th, 1650 in Cumbernauld, Lanarkshire, Scotland. His burial was in Scotland.
"Margaret was born about 1587 in Of, Callendar, Stirlingshire, Scotland. Margaret's father was Alexander LIVINGSTON and her mother is Eleanor Or Helen HAY. Her paternal grandfather was William LIVINGSTONE and her paternal grandmother is Agnes FLEMING. She had three brothers and a sister, named Alexander, John, James and Anna. She died in 1634.
"John and Margaret were married in a religious ceremony on February 20th, 1609 in Scotland. They had three sons and six daughters, named John, Captain Alexander, William, Eleanor, Ann, Jean, Lilias, Helen and Margaret.
16 Lilias Graham (b. 1570 Montrose, Lanarkshire, Scotland d. 1605 Perth, Perthshire, Scotland md. Lord John Fleming (1567-1619) 6th Lord Fleming, first Earl of Wigton in Scotland from 1606 md. [His line]
The Cary Estes Geneaology p. 86 quotes "Biggar and the House of Fleming" by William Hunter, F.S.a. Scot. Pages 551-552, 557:
"Lord Fleming married Lady Lilias Graham, a daughter of John, Earl of Montrose. Her ladyship was distinguished for her piety and devotion and her zealous efforts to promote the principles of the Reformation. Livingstone, in his 'Characterisitcs' says of her, 'When I was a child I have often seen her at my father's at the preachings and communions. While dressing she read the Bible, and every day at that time shed more tears (said one) than ever I did in my life.'"
"The Earl died in April 1619 leaving three sons and five daughters and was succeeded by his eldest son John who warmly embraced his mother's ecclesiastical opinions and was as zealous of the cause of Presbyterianism as his forefathers had been in the maintenance of Popery.
"He [the son, the Second Earl of Wigton] married Margaret, daughter of Alexander Livingstone, first Earl of Linlithgow, a lady of amiable disposition and great piety who entered cordially into the religious views and schemes of her husband. They not only attended the ministrations of the settled Protestant clergy, but for some time maintained a chaplain of their own family." (page 552)
Lilias = daughter of
17 John Graham, third Earl of Montrose (1548- Nov. 9, 1608), Chancellor of the University of St. Andrews 1599-1604 [His line] md. Joan Drummond
According
to
Wikipedia: "John Graham, 3rd Earl of Montrose (1548 – 9
November 1608) was a Scottish peer and Chancellor of the
University of St Andrews from 1599 to 1604.
He was a natural great-grandson of King James IV of
Scotland, his maternal grandmother, Janet Fleming, being a
royal bastard."
According to Cary-Estes Genealogy p. 85: Joan "dau. of David Drummond, Second and Lord, and Lilias Ruthven; son of Walter Drummond; son of William Drummond and Isabel Campbell, dau. of Colin Campbell, Earl of Argyle; son of Sir John Drummond and Eliza Lindsey."
Joan = daughter of
18 David Drummond, Second and Lord succeeded to the title 2nd Lord Drummond in 1519 md. before Dec. 7, 1543 Lilias Ruthven [Her line]
According to thepeerage.com: " David Drummond, 2nd Lord Drummond was born between 1515 and 1517.1 He was the son of Walter Drummond, Master of Drummond and Lady Elizabeth Graham. He married, firstly, Margaret Stewart, daughter of Alexander Stewart, in 1535.2 He married, secondly, Lilias Ruthven, daughter of William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven and Janet Halyburton, Lady Dirletoun, before 7 December 1543.2 He died in 1571. David Drummond, 2nd Lord Drummond succeeded to the title of 2nd Lord Drummond [S., 1488] in 1519."
According to thepeerage.com: "Lilias Ruthven is the daughter of William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven and Janet Halyburton, Lady Dirletoun. She married David Drummond, 2nd Lord Drummond, son of Walter Drummond, Master of Drummond and Lady Elizabeth Graham, before 7 December 1543."
David = son of
19 Walter Drummond, Master of Drummond (d. 1518) md. Feb. 1513/1514 Lady Elizabeth Graham, daughter of William Graham, 1st Earl of Montrose and Janet Edmonstone (b. before 1483), daughter of Sir Archibald Edmonstone [Overlapping line]
According to thepeerage.com: "Walter Drummond, Master of Drummond was the son of William Drummond, Master of Drummond and Lady Isabel Campbell. He married Lady Elizabeth Graham, daughter of William Graham, 1st Earl of Montrose and Janet Edmonstone, in February 1513/14.1 He died in 1518. Walter Drummond, Master of Drummond was styled as Master of Drummond between 1490 and 1518."
Walter = son of
20 William Drummond, Master of Drummond (d. 1490) [Overlapping line, we're also descended from his sister Annabella Drummond, who married William Graham] md. Isabel Campbell, daugher of Colin Cammpbell, Earl of Argyle [Her line]
According to thepeerage.com: "William Drummond, Master of Drummond was the son of John Drummond, 1st Lord Drummond and Lady Elizabeth Lindsay. He married Lady Isabel Campbell, daughter of Colin Campbell, 1st Earl of Argyll and Isabel Stewart.1 He died in 1490."
According to thepeerage.com: "Lady Isabel Campbell was the daughter of Colin Campbell, 1st Earl of Argyll and Isabel Stewart. She married William Drummond, Master of Drummond, son of John Drummond, 1st Lord Drummond and Lady Elizabeth Lindsay. Her married name became Lady Drummond.1
William = son of
21 John Drummond, 1st Lord Drummond (b. about 1438, d. about 1519) md. 1462 Lady Elizabeth Lindsay, daughter of Sir Alexander Lindsay, 4th Earl of Crawford md. Margaret Dunbar [Her line]
According to thepeerage.com: " John Drummond, 1st Lord Drummond was born circa 1438. He is the son of Sir Malcolm Drummond and Mariot Murray. He married Lady Elizabeth Lindsay, daughter of Sir Alexander Lindsay, 4th Earl of Crawford and Margaret Dunbar, in 1462.2,3 He died circa 1519. John Drummond, 1st Lord Drummond was created 1st Lord Drummond [Scotland] on 29 January 1487/88."
According to thepeerage.com: "Lady Elizabeth Lindsay was the daughter of Sir Alexander Lindsay, 4th Earl of Crawford and Margaret Dunbar.1 She married John Drummond, 1st Lord Drummond, son of Sir Malcolm Drummond and Mariot Murray, in 1462. She died after 22 November 1509. From 1462, her married name became Drummond."
John = son of
22 Sir Malcolm Drummond (d. 1470) md. 1445 Mariot Murray [Her line]
According to thepeerage.com: "Sir Malcolm Drummond was the son of Sir Walter Drummond and Margaret Ruthven. He married Mariot Murray, daughter of Sir David Murray of Tullibardine and Margaret Colquhoun, in 1445.1 He died in 1470."
According to thepeerage.com: "Mariot Murray is the daughter of Sir David Murray of Tullibardine and Margaret Colquhoun.1 She married Sir Malcolm Drummond, son of Sir Walter Drummond and Margaret Ruthven, in 1445. Her married name became Drummond."
Malcolm = son of
23 Sir Walter Drummond md. Margaret Ruthven, daughter of Sir William Ruthven, who lived at Ruthven, Scotland.
According to thepeerage.com: "Sir Walter Drummond was the son of Sir John Drummond."
Walter = son of
According to thepeerage.com: "Sir John Drummond was the son of Sir John Drummond, 12th of Lennox and Elizabeth Sinclair. Sir John Drummond lived at Stobhall. He held the office of Justiciar [Scotland]."
John = son of
25 Sir John
Drummond, 12th of Lenox (1356-1428)
md. Elizabeth
Sinclair
(b.
1363) daughter of Henry Sinclar, 1st Earl of Orkney and Jane
Holyburton [Her line]
[Overlapping
line. We're also descended from his
sister Annabella Drummond who married King
Robert III of Scotland]
According to thepeerage.com: " Sir John Drummond, 12th of Lennox was born in 1356 at Drymen, Stirlingshire, Scotland.1 He was the son of Sir John Drummond, 11th of Lennox and Mary Montifex.1 He married Elizabeth Sinclair, daughter of Henry Sinclair, 1st Earl of Orkney and Jane Halyburton.1 He died in 1428."
According to thepeerage.com: "Elizabeth Sinclair was born in 1363. She was the daughter of Henry Sinclair, 1st Earl of Orkney and Jane Halyburton.1,2 She married Sir John Drummond, 12th of Lennox, son of Sir John Drummond, 11th of Lennox and Mary Montifex. Her married name became Drummond."
John = son of
26 Sir John Drummond 11th of Lennox (1318-1373) md. Mary Montifex (b. 1325) [Her line]
According to thepeerage.com: "Sir John Drummond, 11th of Lennox was born in 1318.2 He was the son of Sir Malcolm Drummond, 10th Thane of Lennox and Margaret de Graham.2 He married Mary Montifex, daughter of Sir William de Montifex.2 He died in 1373. Sir John Drummond, 11th of Lennox lived at Strobhall, Scotland."
According to thepeerage.com: "Mary Montifex was born in 1325.2 She was the daughter of Sir William de Montifex. She married Sir John Drummond, 11th of Lennox, son of Sir Malcolm Drummond, 10th Thane of Lennox and Margaret de Graham. Her married name became Drummond. She was also known as Mary Montfichet."
John = son of
27 Sir Malcolm Drummond, 10th Thane of Lennox (b. aftrer 1295, d. 1346) md. Margaret de Graham [Her line]
According to thepeerage.com: "Sir Malcolm Drummond, 10th Thane of Lennox was born after 1295.1 He was the son of Sir Malcolm Drummond, 9th Thane of Lennox and Margaret Graham.1 He died in 1346, killed in action. Sir Malcolm Drummond, 10th Thane of Lennox fought in the Battle of Durham in 1346."
Malcolm = son of
28 Sir Malcolm Drummond, 9th Thane of Lennox (b. afater 1270 d. 1325) md. Margaret Graham, daughter of Sir Patrick Graham of Kincardine [Her line]
According to the peerage.com: "Sir Malcolm Drummond, 9th Thane of Lennox was born after 1270.1 He was the son of Sir John Drummond, 8th Thane of Lennox and Elena Stewart.1 He married Margaret Graham, daughter of Sir Patrick Graham of Kincardine. He died in 1325."
According to thepeerage.com: " Margaret Graham was born before 1279. She was the daughter of Sir Patrick Graham of Kincardine. She married Sir Malcolm Drummond, 9th Thane of Lennox, son of Sir John Drummond, 8th Thane of Lennox and Elena Stewart. Her married name became Drummond.".
Malcolm = son of
29 Sir John Drummond, 8th Thane of Lennox md. Elena Stewart, daughter of Walter Stewart, Earl of Menteith md. Mary of Monteith, Countess of Menteith [Her line]
According to thepeerage.com: "Sir John Drummond, 8th Thane of Lennox was born after 1240.1 He was the son of Sir Malcolm Drummond, 7th Thane of Lennox.1 He married Elena Stewart, daughter of Walter Stewart, Earl of Menteith and Mary of Monteith, Countess of Menteith.1 He died in 1301."
According to thepeerage.com: "Elena Stewart was the daughter of Walter Stewart, Earl of Menteith and Mary of Monteith, Countess of Menteith. She married Sir John Drummond, 8th Thane of Lennox, son of Sir Malcolm Drummond, 7th Thane of Lennox. Her married name became Drummond."
30 Sir Malcolm Drummond, 7th Thane of Lennox (b. after 1209 d. 1278)
According to thepeerage.com: "Sir Malcolm Drummond, 7th Thane of Lennox was born after 1209.1 He was the son of Malcolm Beg Drummond, 6th Thane of Lennox and Ada of Lennox.1 He died in 1278."
Malcolm = son of
31 Malcolm Beg Drummond, 6th Thane of Lennox (b. after 1169 d. 1259) md. Ada of Lennox (Her line)
According to thepeerage.com: " Malcolm Beg Drummond, 6th Thane of Lennox was born after 1169.1 He was the son of Sir Malcolm Drummond, 5th Thane of Lennox.1 He married Ada of Lennox, daughter of Maldouen, 3rd Earl of Lennox and Elizabeth Stewart.1 He died in 1259."
According to thepeerage.com: " Ada of Lennox is the daughter of Maldouen, 3rd Earl of Lennox and Elizabeth Stewart.2 She married Malcolm Beg Drummond, 6th Thane of Lennox, son of Sir Malcolm Drummond, 5th Thane of Lennox. Her married name became Drummond."
Malcolm = son of
32 Sir Malcolm Drummond, 5th Thane of Lennox (b. before 1153 d. 1200)
According to thepeerage.com: "Sir Malcolm Drummond, 5th Thane of Lennox was born before 1153. He died in 1200."